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  • Add SkriptLang

    We have proof of it being not intrusive. It is the documentation. We want proof of it being intrusive and dangerous or have it added

  • Add SkriptLang

    You are saying the same thing over and over again. Skript is not intrusive. If you have proof it is, please let us know. Otherwise please add it exclusively. That is all I am saying.

  • Add SkriptLang

    There is a difference between Aternos being scared of doing something and Aternos not doing it because it is harmful. I am afraid The reason you are not making this change is because you are not trusting the proof in front of you.

  • Add SkriptLang

    Quote from Roman

    I didn't say that we have an updated Skript. I said that IF the new update would be okay, we would have it...

    That's what I am saying. The new update IS okay but you don't have it.
    What's the point of my response and request if you're going to say we can't add it because we would have it if we could. Why is this forum even existent.

  • Add SkriptLang

    To be a bit more clear

    The new version of Skript from GitHub does not allow bypassing limitations set by Aternos.

    If you do not trust it:



    1) There is a documentation for Skript. you can find it at
    https://skriptlang.github.io/Skript/events.html#move_on
    If there is anything that could possibly be out of the scope of manipulating simple Minecraft mechanics please let me know.


    2) Look at other server hosters like minehut who have been supporting it for years. If it was really that intrusive why do they have it.

    3) You are claiming that a bug update now allows for a user to go from adding custom features, to harming a server hoster. Let me make that even more clear. A plugin has been updated from its alpha versions to make it more usable and now its all of a sudden intrusive. Please tell me where. That's like a server hoster saying we can't provide minecraft above version 1.0 alpha because it could be intrusive.

    4) The hoster should not care if we hack our own server. They should only be worried if it could intrude into other parts of the server. A plugin that changes minecraft mechanics does not have that scope

    5)If Skript is your definition of bypassing limitations, then why are plugins with much higher danger even included.

    6) If Skript's update is dangerious why are all the other plugins automatically updated

    I'm sorry for repeating points but I am just making it clear why what you are repeating doesn't make sense to me.

  • Add SkriptLang

    Quote from Roman

    If the new update would be okay, we would already have it.


    You clearly haven't. That's why there are so many threads asking for it









    With all due respect,
    you are making two points, both to me make no sense.

    All we want is either Skript Github Fork to be added or a valid reason for it not to be added.

    You have made two points. It is intrusive and if we add one update you guys will ask for more.

    To the first i have responded

    Quote from bzFear


    Secondly, If skript had such intrusive access why was it added in the Bukkit version (let alone the more harmful addons).

    Skript is only limited to Minecraft functionality. There was no update since the Bukkit discontinuation that extends from that scope. Skript's documentation speaks for itself. It does not exceed the limits of manipulating Minecraft. It doesn't have any access, nor gives access to users to things that may be intrusive for the host.


    And to the second I have responded


    Quote from bzFear

    To make this clear, I think we all want a STABLE version of Skript. The current version of Skript is not STABLE and is filled with bugs to the point that it's useless. We wont ask for another STABLE update since we would already have one. If someone did they would want just another update to which won't be valid and I am sure will be rejected.

  • Add SkriptLang

    Quote from Roman

    And I answered:

    And I answered too

    Quote from bzFear

    Skript is only limited to Minecraft functionality. There was no update since the Bukkit discontinuation that extends from that scope. Skript's documentation speaks for itself. It does not exceed the limits of manipulating Minecraft. It doesn't have any access, nor gives access to users to things that may be intrusive for the host.

    This new GitHub version is as okay as the Bukkit one. I'm sorry but I find it hard to believe that a plugin in just one update can become so intrusive it is not to be added. If so why are all other automated plugins automatically updated without any checks as you have mentioned in

    Post
    RE: Less limits to where the Plugins can come from
    Not the plugin has to fulfull technical requirements, the platform where it gets distributed over has to.

    I will describe the topic a bit more in detail here, so I can quote it everytime someone asks this again. (And it gets asked very very often.)

    I try not to use too many technical terms here and explain it so that no techies understand it.
    So if someone should read this here who is from the technical field and throws his hands up in horror because I reference a HTML parser as a translation…
    Roman

  • Add SkriptLang

    Quote from Roman

    Yes, but when you notice that you'll contact us and make it to our problem...

    I am saying we want a stable update

    Quote from bzFear

    To make this clear, I think we all want a STABLE version of Skript. The current version of Skript is not STABLE and is filled with bugs to the point that it's useless. We wont ask for another STABLE update since we would already have one. If someone did they would want just another update to which won't be valid and I am sure will be rejected.


    Quote from Roman

    I don't say that it's insecure or that it's a bad plugin.

    What Skript offers is actually really nice and I appreciate what the Skript devs do.

    But the features Skript adds allows our users to bypass our limitations, and that's the reason why we can't add it.

    (Just to point that out again, if for whatever reasons Skript is available on SpigotMC directly we still won't add it)

    I have addressed this issue as well

    Quote from bzFear

    If skript had such intrusive access why was it added in the Bukkit version (let alone the more harmful addons).

    Skript is only limited to Minecraft functionality. There was no update since the Bukkit discontinuation that extends from that scope. Skript's documentation speaks for itself. It does not exceed the limits of manipulating Minecraft. It doesn't have any access, nor gives access to users to things that may be intrusive for the host.

  • Add SkriptLang

    To make this clear, I think we all want a STABLE version of Skript. The current version of Skript is not STABLE and is filled with bugs to the point that it's useless. We wont ask for another STABLE update since we would already have one. If someone did they would want just another update to which won't be valid and I am sure will be rejected.

  • Add SkriptLang

    Quote from Roman

    1) You don't want them, but many others want that.

    2) You'll think different in some months about this.

    3) You're actually asking for an update right now...

    Because the old Skript version is known to be okay.


    1) From what I see there are many threads complaining about this. Sure they might want a version that is updated regularly but they won't be displeased at such a buggy version being updated
    2) What does that have to do with anything. If I think differently, that would be my problem
    3) yes

    This version of Skript is very well known to be okay

  • Add SkriptLang

    Thanks for the response.

    Firstly we don't need updates. That's why I am saying we are not asking for a transition tool. We just need one version hardwired, exclusively.


    Secondly, If skript had such intrusive access why was it added in the Bukkit version (let alone the more harmful addons).

    Skript is only limited to Minecraft functionality. There was no update since the Bukkit discontinuation that extends from that scope. Skript's documentation speaks for itself. It does not exceed the limits of manipulating Minecraft. It doesn't have any access, nor gives access to users to things that may be intrusive for the host.

  • Add SkriptLang

    You aren't reading what I am saying.

    Quote from bzFear

    We aren't asking to write a transition tool to query stuff from GitHub, we just want one plugin added exclusively with, if needed, hardwired properties such as description, download etc.

  • Add SkriptLang

    Quote from Roman

    We don't manage addons manually. This happens all automatically.

    With the incredible amount of addons it would not be possible to maintain them manually.


    For this to happen automatically we need to get the information about addons (descriptions, downloads, compatible versions etc.) from somewhere.

    The best places to do this are the big platforms on which the addon creators themselves distribute their mods and maintain the necessary information -> spigotmc, curseforge etc.


    We aren't asking to write a transition tool to query stuff from GitHub, we just want one plugin added exclusively with, if needed, hardwired properties such as description, download etc. Even if it isn't updated regularly it would be much better than the extremely buggy and limited one in use right now.

  • Add SkriptLang

    I think what SpeghettiSteve is trying to say is that many other plugins like Geyser have been added that were not in spigot but were added manually as an essential. It's the same thing with skript. It should be an exception

  • Skript Github Fork should be an exception

    Hey Aternos Team,


    TLDR: Skript is a plugin that allows us to write our own plugins. It should be one of the few exceptions to add this even though it is on GitHub and not Spigot or Bukkit.


    I know this is talked about in previous posts, but updating Skript is more important now. I understand that you have to automatically maintain plugins through API's but Skript should be an exception that should be handled manually. Aternos is one of the biggest server hosting platforms and if we cannot write our own plugins we should at least be given access to plugins that allow us to make our own safe plugins. The version used right now is the blatant copy and long discontinued Bukkit version. This lacks many prime features and is very buggy. Along with that, vast majority of players are not willing to play on 1.7 anymore with more and more updates from Mojang. Other plugins such as Geyser have had such an exception despite them being arguably less important. Thanks in advance.